Donald Trump dismissed Jan. 6 threats, wanted to join crowd

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WASHINGTON Former President Donald Trump fought security officials for control of the presidential SUV as he struggled to get to the Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, a key former White House aide told House investigators Tuesday, even after he had been told that some of his supporters were armed.

Trump had said that the protesters were not here to hurt me, recalled Cassidy Hutchinson, testifying before the House panel investigating the insurrection. Told by security officials that it wasnt safe to go to the Capitol after he addressed his supporters, Trump lunged toward the steering wheel of the armored vehicle, she said.

The 25-year-old former aide said she was told of the altercation in the SUV dubbed The Beast immediately afterward by White House security officials, and that Bobby Engel, the head of the detail, was in the room and didnt dispute the account. Engel had grabbed Trumps arm to prevent him from gaining control of the armored vehicle, she was told, and Trump then used his free hand to lunge at Engel.

Hutchinson, then a special assistant to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, described chaos inside and outside the White House that day as hundreds of Trumps supporters marched toward the Capitol, shouting the presidents false claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election. Aides inside the executive mansion several of whom had been warned of violence beforehand became increasingly alarmed as rioters at the Capitol overran police, broke through windows and doors and interrupted the certification of Joe Bidens victory.

Trump was less concerned, even as he heard there were cries in the crowd to hang Mike Pence! Hutchinson recalled that Meadows told aides that Trump thinks Mike deserves it. The president tweeted during the attack that Pence didnt have the courage to object to Bidens win as he presided over the joint session of Congress.

As for the rioters, Meadows said, Trump doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.

Hutchinson told the panel the former president had been informed early in the day that some of the protesters in the crowd outside the White House had weapons, but he told officials to remove metal detectors to let my people in and march to the Capitol.

Hutchinsons explosive testimony featured in a surprise hearing announced just 24 hours earlier came at the latest of the sessions the House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection is conducting to inform the public about what happened as Trumps supporters broke into the Capitol and sent lawmakers running from the House and Senate.

As an American I was disgusted, Hutchinson told the committee, reacting to Trumps tweet about Pence. It was unpatriotic, it was un-American, and you were watching the Capitol building get defaced over a lie.

I still struggle to work through the emotions of that, she said.

Members of the panel praised Hutchinsons bravery for testifying and said that some witnesses had been intimidated not to cooperate.

I want all Americans to know that what Ms. Hutchinson has done today is not easy, said Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, a Republican who led questioning at the hearing.

Trump denied much of what Hutchinson said on his social media platform, Truth Social, including that he tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential SUV or that he said Mike Pence deserved to be hung. I hardly know who this person, Cassidy Hutchinson, is, Trump wrote, calling her a total phony and bad news.

Hutchinson depicted a president flailing in anger and prone to violent outbursts as the window to overturn his election loss closed. Some aides sought to rein in his impulses. Some did not.

At one point, Hutchinson said, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone barreled down the hallway and confronted Meadows about the fact that rioters had breached the Capitol. Meadows, staring at his phone, told the White House lawyer that Trump didnt want to do anything. An exasperated Cipollone said that blood would be on Meadows hands if nothing was done, she said.

Earlier, Cipollone had worried out loud that they were going to get charged with every crime imaginable if Trump went to the Capitol as the mob of his supporters was breaking in. But there were conversations about him going into the House chamber at one point, Hutchinson said.

Hutchinson quoted Trump as directing his staff, in profane terms, to take away the metal-detecting magnetometers that he thought would slow down supporters who were gathering for his speech that morning on the Ellipse, in the back of the White House. In a clip of an earlier closed-door interview with the committee, she recalled the president saying words to the effect of: I dont f-in care that they have weapons.

Before the crowd left for the Capitol, Hutchinson said she received an angry call from House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy, who had just heard the president say he was coming. Dont come up here, McCarthy told her, before hanging up.

In the days before the attack, Hutchinson said she was scared, and nervous for what could happen after conversations with Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, Meadows and others.

Meadows told Hutchinson that things might get real, real bad, she said. Giuliani told her it was going to be a great day and were going to the Capitol.

Hutchinson separately described a December 2020 conversation with John Ratcliffe, then the Trump administrations director of national intelligence and a former Republican official. She said that Ratcliffe didnt want much to do with the post-election period and was worried that the events could be harmful to Trumps legacy and to democracy.

As a White House insider, Hutchinson told stories of a raging president who was unable to acknowledge his defeat. At the beginning of December, she said, she heard noise inside the White House around the time an Associated Press article was published in which Attorney General William Barr said the Justice Department had not found evidence of voter fraud that could have affected the election outcome.

She said she entered a room and noticed ketchup dripping down a wall and broken porcelain. The president, it turned out, had thrown his lunch at the wall in disgust over the article and she was urged to steer clear of him.

He denied that, too, on Tuesday.

Hutchinson had already provided a trove of information to congressional investigators and had sat for four interviews with the panel behind closed doors, detailing meetings in the runup to the insurrection where challenges to the election were debated and discussed, including with several Republican lawmakers.

The panel has held five hearings so far, mostly laying out Trumps post-election pressure on various government institutions in the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6 joint sessions of Congress.

The committee has used the hearings to detail that pressure from Trump and his allies on Pence, on the states that were certifying Bidens win, and on the Justice Department. The panel has used live interviews, video testimony of its private witness interviews and footage of the attack to detail what it has learned.

Lawmakers said last week that two July hearings would focus on domestic extremists who breached the Capitol that day and on what Trump was doing as the violence unfolded.

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