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When former President Donald J. Trump inveighed against E. Jean Carroll on CNN Wednesday night, at least one person wasn’t watching: Ms. Carroll.
She was asleep and didn’t learn about his comments calling her claim of a decades-old sexual assault fake and a made-up story until Thursday morning, when her attorney sent the him a transcript, he said.
It’s just stupid, it’s disgusting, it’s disgusting, it’s filthy, it hurts people, Ms. Carroll in an interview with The New York Times on Thursday, adding that he has been insulted by better people.
The comments of Mr. Trumps came just a day after a Manhattan jury awarded damages to Ms. Carroll for $5 million and was found liable for sexually assaulting her in the mid-1990s in a department store dressing room and also for defaming her on her Truth Social platform.
Mr. Trump, in response to questions from a CNN moderator about the Manhattan jury’s verdict on Tuesday, called Ms. Carroll a wack job and said his civil trial was a rigged deal. The audience was drawn mainly from Republican groups, and his comments drew applause and laughter.
said Ms. Carroll said she was upset when her longtime stylist told her Thursday morning that the stylists 15-year-old son was talking about what Mr. Trump on television on Wednesday.
I am angry on behalf of young men in America, said Ms. Carroll. They cannot hear this balderdash and the old-time view of women, which is a cave man view.
Ms. Carroll, 79, is now weighing whether to file a new defamation suit against Mr. Trump, said his lawyer, Roberta A. Kaplan. In addition to the case that ended on Tuesday, Ms. Carroll has a previous defamation lawsuit against Mr. Trump, 76, that is still pending. Mr. Trump argued in that case that he could not be sued because he made those comments in his official capacity as president.
Ms. clarified Carroll in the interview that despite the ridicule of Mr. Trump saw the jury’s verdict this week as vindication of her account that he sexually assaulted her in the mid-1990s, something she has repeatedly and vehemently denied.
I’m glad we won, he said. That’s it. He did. He knew he did.
The lawyer of Mr. Trumps, Joseph Tacopina, filed a notice of appeal for Mr. Trump on Thursday.
In an extensive interview, Ms. Carroll, along with his lawyers, why he believes the jury found Mr. Trump for sexually abusing her but not for raping her, as she has long claimed; how he perceived the aggressiveness of Mr.’s cross-examination. Tacopina; why she didn’t scream when Mr. Trump hit her; and the rituals he and his lawyers performed each day of the two-week trial.
He made it clear that he respected the jurors of six men and three women who the judge kept anonymous and who, he said, remained a puzzle to him.
It’s like Saturday Night Mystery Theater every time they come in, said Ms. Carroll. I studied their faces and they were as dead as nine statues. She added: Never cracked a smile, never raised an eyebrow, never batted a left eyelash.
Those jurors parsed the evidence and testimony of Ms. Carroll and 10 other witnesses who called him before sentencing in less than three hours.
Ms. Carroll, in the interview, blamed himself for their decision to find Mr. Trump to be held liable for sexually assaulting her but not for rape.
I did not make myself clear when I was testifying, said Ms. Carroll.
Under New York law, according to Ms.’s lawyer. Carrolls, Ms. Kaplan, genital penetration must occur for rape to occur. Ms. testified Carroll that after he was brought by Mr. Trump in the Bergdorfs lingerie department and in a dressing room, he pushed her against the wall and inserted his fingers and then his penis into her penis.
I don’t see anything going on, said Ms. Carroll to the jury. But I definitely felt it. I definitely felt the pain in the finger jamming up.
In the interview on Thursday, Ms. Carroll who has been married twice, and he said, I know what a cock feels like, and he inserted his penis.
Not only did Mr. Trump any attack, he said he was never in the Bergdorfs, did not know Ms. Carroll and said that he would not rape her in any case, because she was not his type.
In its verdict, the jury indicated that it believed Ms. Carroll. Michael Ferrara, another lawyer of Ms. Carrolls, said in the interview that the jurors handling the case showed that the process was not rigged.
If they just want to get Donald Trump, why not check the rape box? said Mr. Ferrara. They didn’t do that because they actually considered the evidence.
Ms. Carroll delivered visceral testimony, telling the jury of each brutal attack in particular and that it ended her romantic life.
Then, Mr. Tacopina examined him for almost two days. He described in the interview how his lawyers prepared him to be questioned by Mr. Tacopina, known for her charm but also for her aggressiveness: They told me she would go all out.
When I sat down, I was wearing a brace. If you notice, I always wear a tight jacket just to keep it together, you know, as a little armor against Joe Tacopina.
Mr. pressed him again and again. Tacopina about why he didn’t scream at the attack. He tells her that he is in a panic and fighting. After more back and forth, she declared, Im telling you, he raped me, whether I screamed or not.
In the interview, Ms. Carroll is the replacement. This is not the 16th century, he said. I was almost ashamed of him. Just shy. How dare he?
Shame on a woman for not screaming is strange, she added.
Mr. Tacopina did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
During the trial, Ms. Carroll, he tried to stay away from social media. At night, he said, he was in bed by 7, and every morning, his stylist visited and prayed with him, even though Ms. Carroll that he is not a religious person.
That became the ritual, said Ms. Carroll.
said Ms. Carroll that after the verdict, he returned to the office of Ms. Kaplans. The wine is flowing.
Very happy, said Ms. Carroll. We almost floated up to the ceiling.
Ms. Kaplan, her attorney, said Thursday that a decision would be made soon on whether Ms. Carroll will file another defamation lawsuit in light of Mr. Trump on CNN.
Everythings on the table, obviously, and we have to give serious consideration to it, said Ms. Kaplan.
As for Ms. Carroll, he says he’s ready to move forward with his personal life maybe even start dating again.
I wasn’t having romance, and I was aware something was desperately wrong, said Ms. Carroll.
She testified at trial that she had long blamed herself for courting Mr. Trump after their chance encounter with the Bergdorfs and allowed him to take her to the lingerie section and the dressing room, where he assaulted her.
When his lawsuit was over and Mr. Trump, said Ms. Carroll that tomorrow he will explore that part of his life again.
Let’s see if I can,” he said.
He stopped for a moment.
Yes, I will do it, I will do it, so watch out.
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